Building Business w/ the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce
The Building Business podcast provides compelling stories of the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce's journey, its steadfast commitment to the local community, and its forward-thinking approach to addressing the needs of businesses in an ever-changing landscape. It stands as an invitation to listeners to become part of a movement that values growth, connection, and the collective progress of the Mount Pleasant, South Carolina community.
Be prepared to be inspired, informed, and motivated, as we provide a rich tapestry of stories that celebrate the dynamic interplay of business and personal growth right here, in our own backyard.
Building Business w/ the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce
From Zoning To Ribbon Cuttings: How Charleston Builds And Grows
Want the real playbook for getting a project built in the Lowcountry without losing your mind or your margin? We sit down with eighth-generation Charlestonian and contractor Adam Ferrara to unpack the journey from spark to occupancy, why Charleston isn’t Charlotte, and how to grow without sacrificing the canopy, character, or coastline.
We start with the truth behind timelines: rezoning, design review, stormwater plans, and DRB approvals can stretch to two or three years before vertical work begins. Adam maps the stages that matter, from early land diligence to choosing the right civil and architect, and explains why design-assist-build helps small businesses avoid “beautiful but unbuildable” plans. Then we get into market cycles—multifamily and storage cooled after a rush, industrial surged and is now leveling—and what that means for investors weighing Mount Pleasant against the Queen City.
Charleston’s constraints are physical and philosophical. Height limits, tree preservation, and massing rules protect the town’s feel, while wind loads, seismic risk, and poor soils demand conservative structures and careful foundations. Adam breaks down liquefaction in plain English and shows how LID techniques, pervious pavements, and underground detention manage our flat terrain and heavy rain. Sustainability isn’t window dressing here; spray foam, LED lighting, and solar incentives deliver lower lifetime costs and better buildings.
We also explore Point Hope’s intentional growth, where schools, restaurants, healthcare, and services follow rooftops to reduce highway dependence. On the tech front, AI speeds early site layouts and feasibility, saving weeks at the front end, while remote-controlled earthwork hints at safer, smarter job sites. And for a region hungry for childcare, Adam details the economics of early childhood education centers—why they’re vital, why they’re expensive, and how funding and rates shape access.
If you care about smart growth, attainable housing, and building for generations rather than quarters, this conversation offers clear steps and hard-won lessons you can use now. Subscribe, share with a friend who’s planning a project, and leave a review to help more Charleston builders and business owners find us.
Presenting Sponsor: Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce
Studio Sponsor: Charleston Media Solutions
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Production Sponsor: RMBO.co
Design Sponsor: DK Design
Committee:
Kathleen Herrmann | Host | MPCC Immediate Past President | Mount Pleasant Towne Centre
Mike Compton | Co-host | Marketing Chair | RMBO.co
Rebecca Imholz | Co-host | MPCC Executive Director
Amanda Bunting Comen | Co-host | Social ABCs
Ben Nesvold | Co-host | In-coming President | Edward Jones
You know what's funny? Let me bring up Charlotte. It's we're big as Charlotte. It's like our third as big as Charlotte.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well, David Beast is my partner up there in the formal office.
SPEAKER_04:Shut off the data.
SPEAKER_01:Alright. Alright, well let's actually do it to get started so you all know who we're talking to. Uh welcome to the Building Business Podcast powered by the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce. We are recording with our friends at the Charleston Media Solutions Studios. Great partners to the Chamber. Thank you for being here today with us. And thank you to our podcast sponsor, DK Design.
SPEAKER_05:Yes, DK Design, what's up?
SPEAKER_01:We love DK Design. My name is Kathy Herman. I am the immediate past president of the chamber. And I am also the marketing director at Mount Pleasant Town Center. And my favorite co-host again with me today.
SPEAKER_05:I like favorite veterans special.
SPEAKER_01:Oh no, well, your special and favorite. Oh both, I guess. Yeah, that's awesome. Everybody, my favorite, Mike Compton, owner of Roombo Advertising. Co-owner, yep.
SPEAKER_05:George, my business partner in Tampa.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, sorry about touchboard. Um and the uh almost non-chair of the MPCC marketing committee. So wild. Almost the end of the year.
SPEAKER_05:Very exciting about that. We love Darius. He's great. So we built a good team. You guys are in good hands. I'm not going anywhere. We're still doing the pocket. Are you still gonna be my special favorite? Special favorite. Special favorite. We have a really special favorite person here.
SPEAKER_01:We do. Um and actually, uh before before I even um introduce him, we were so excited to find out he is actually eighth generation Charlestonian.
SPEAKER_05:I think that's the deepest Charlestonian we've had.
SPEAKER_01:That we've had, especially the week. John Wright, how far back does John Wright go? Oh, I don't know, probably far back too, but we didn't get the actual generational line back here. We'll have to ask him. Yeah. But as far as we're concerned, he's the farthest one back we had. Yeah. Congratulations. Um, our guest today um is partner and managing member of um Ferrara Bust contractors, uh, who oversees, he oversees their Charleston office and manages the company's expansion into the Midlands and lower half of South Carolina. Uh he serves as the president of business development and operations manager. You do all this, okay I do. Uh, directing all aspects of sales and business development and coordinate with clients, architects, engineers, and developers to get projects off the ground and running smoothly. And how important is this conversation with all of the construction going around Mount Pleasant and Charleston in the area today? So I am so excited to welcome our special guest, Adam Ferrara. Adam Ferrara.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you, Kathy. I appreciate it. What an awesome opportunity to be here with the two of you today and just to talk about everything uh Charleston, South Carolina, and uh whatever else we have on tap. And construction for sure. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:And uh and the reason why I'm laughing about this, um, my past life in uh my husband was um a I always say he built shopping centers, but he actually didn't manage. So if you had a shopping center that was being built from the ground and it was 80 tenants, he had to manage the construction of the 80 stores and all their individual construction teams. Okay. So um I got to hear a lot about that for 15 years while he did that. Um so we I always joke when we're driving around and see something going up, and I'm going, well, I don't know, that doesn't look pretty sturdy, that doesn't look too sturdy. That's going up too fast for me. So I'm curious I'm looking forward to hearing more of like you know.
SPEAKER_05:Like everything on Clements Ferry.
SPEAKER_01:I drive one day to get a pizza and there's nothing there, and two days later I drive back in his apartments. I'm like, uh, those can be merged. I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
SPEAKER_05:Anyway, lots of growth here in Charleston. And then thank you for your support with the chamber. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:And uh we'll certainly bring up um a very special thank you at the end for some things that Adam has done for us with the chamber. But say hello to everybody and let them know um a little bit about you, how you got involved in the construction industry and all that stuff, and and um how Ferrera Bust got started.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. Uh appreciate it. Umce again, Adam Ferrero with Ferrera Beast Contractors. We are in Charleston, South Carolina and Fort Mill, South Carolina, servicing Charlotte and the North Carolina markets. Um we started in 2009. Uh my partner, David Beust and I, we were just uh chit-chatting one day when we were visiting them down in Stewart, Florida, and uh just suggested to him that he might want to move up to the Fort Mill area in the Charlotte Market to start a commercial construction company. At that time I was in residential, and uh I had gotten that start in residential working uh here in Charleston with John Wheeland Holmes and then transferring up to Charlotte with them.
SPEAKER_01:So hopefully it wasn't you that was building those ones that we were just talking about and making fun of. We're gonna get into that.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, we'll talk about that. But uh yeah, so so we started there in Fort Mill, and um it was we were literally at one desk with two computers, one on each side, and uh and we started out with our first job. It was for Cup Crazed Cakery and uh uh Baxter Village, and she went on to win Cupcake Wars, which was pretty cool. That was cool. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So we can we can boast that. And uh uh ironically, I ended up meeting uh with her and her husband, and they uh worked uh or he worked for uh Summit uh uh land uh environmental and we ended up then building a home for them on Lake Wiley. So it was it it sort of just spins off from there. If you if you do a good job and communicate, which is the biggest challenge in the construction field, yeah. That's that's uh that's how you can have a recipe for success. Just communicate.
SPEAKER_01:But what a big difference between residential and commercial, correct?
SPEAKER_03:It is. And and I had a uh a unique skill for residential working with those two companies. Uh John Wheelan, I'll I'll I'll tell everybody this. They taught me how to build a home and how to communicate. Toll brothers taught me how to run a business. Oh wow. So that that's the difference in the t in the two. Uh one was regional, one was publicly traded. So that was an awesome uh uh jumping off point for me. But uh our my partnership with David Bust has been exceptional. Uh he is an engineer, uh civil engineer grad from Clemson. And um there is a story, I don't know if we'll get to it today, but uh how how we met uh our wives grew up together uh in Anderson, South Carolina, and uh they they were hanging out at college and and my wife introduced David to to his wife. No, I love this.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, love stories too. You get everything on the podcast.
SPEAKER_03:So uh so so they're they're all you know, Clemson Tigers. I'm a I'm a college Charleston Coover.
SPEAKER_05:Okay and um staying strong there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's right. So uh so that's kind of how we connected and and met, and uh he has really taught me a lot about commercial construction. That that relationship has been invaluable, not only from a professional standpoint, but a personal standpoint. So much that we vacation as families every year and and get to do cool stuff.
SPEAKER_05:So that's amazing. Um when it comes to you know, well, first of all, we talked about Charlotte. You you kind of hinted in Charlotte. Just so the audience knows, we're big in Charlotte right now. We're 12% of our total downloads come from Charlotte. Where 29% come from Mount Pleasant, and then eight percent come from Charleston. Okay. Isn't that wild? So Charlotte's beating Charleston out on our downloads.
SPEAKER_01:Well, we need to fix that, everybody listening in Charleston.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you know, or in shout out to everybody in Charlotte.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, shout out to Charlotte.
SPEAKER_03:I do. We we have uh we we we have a growing team of about 34 out of both offices. Okay. And David uh ha picks up about 60% of that. I pick up about 40% because his office uh or our office started uh 15 years ago, and our current office now we opened up in 2017. Okay. In the summertime of 17.
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SPEAKER_05:And and so you're you're in you got your hands kind of in both. What which I don't want to say which one's doing better, I don't want to say anything like that, but as far as like uh growth, um from your vantage point, what are the biggest drivers of growth here in Mount Pleasant, let's say? So compared to Charlotte.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's it's a great question because the the growth in this area has has certainly been either uh individuals that are uh owner operators of a business as an example. Um we built Wanda Family Dentistry, uh Dental Office. We have uh built some small kind of one-off apartment complexes for folks, so individual investors. But we've seen a lot of institutional money come into the market. Uh so uh, you know, between private equity and uh you know large-scale lender support, we're we Charleston has officially been on the map for I would say in in a very strong way for probably the past 10 to 12 years. So we hit it right at the right time. Do you feel more um growth in like commercial or multifamily or you know, multifamily took a bit of a uh a bit of a dip um after after COVID. Uh they were pushing hot and heavy into that market, and and then a lot of supply came on. Uh similar to storage, a lot of supply came on. But uh it it's uh things need to needed to simmer down a little bit, it got a bit frothy. Sure. So that's simmered down a bit. And you're today you're you've you've seen a huge uh influx of industrial um warehouse spaces come online. So there's a a large supply of that right now, so you're seeing that cool a little bit. So you've got these sort of you know uh ebbs and flows with the way the market works.
SPEAKER_05:Aaron Ross Powell Is the town helping with that ebb and flow in in the meaning I I heard that they kind of capped the amount of new builds in residential uh at one point? Is that old news?
SPEAKER_01:Aaron Powell I I I believe it was the moratorium was lifted, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03:The moratorium has been lifted. Okay. Um there are a certain uh uh formula.
SPEAKER_05:They had that for a time to go ahead and it that's my point. Are they helping with that or is it hurting?
SPEAKER_03:Like what's what's that all is that like Well I think a lot of people don't really get it until Mount Pleasant brings Moreland in from annexing. Mount Pleasant to me from what I see is about 90% full. There's not a whole lot left.
SPEAKER_04:Everybody listening right now can probably nod in their head thing like the engineer's nodding.
SPEAKER_03:Bless you amazing. There's not a whole lot left in that uh in that respect. So um, you know, Mount Pleasant's done a great job of of preserving trees. Uh we all know it's sort of tree city USA, uh, with a 40% canopy coverage. Um and and and I'm not that plugged in. Uh I I do uh I don't know if I'm allowed to say I do sit on the planning commission for the town of Mount Pleasant as a volunteer. Thank you for that. Thank you for your service. So uh it's just a volunteer position. Um but uh so I've I've learned a lot about uh how our community works. We're all volunteers here. We get it. So uh but but yes, to answer your question, I I would say that the the biggest uh hurdle uh where Mount Pleasant has helped and can continue to help is is recognizing where we have some affordability issues. And we need to bring in some attainable housing and we need to uh really uh work around some of the code with that, uh with landowners and encourage them, whether it be through some some sort of incentives or um working with developers with some sort of tax incentives to help them bring some more product online uh in the 400,000 price point range. Right. Right.
SPEAKER_05:Is that kind of what you guys are talking about in your planning commission? Is that a little inside? I would say we discuss that uh quite a bit.
SPEAKER_01:Don't get them in trouble, Mike.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we're we're we're discussing how we can uh continue to still keep Mount Pleasant great, but it's okay if it grows. It just needs to grow in a in a responsible way.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I think that Haney uh speaks to that as well. Yeah, pretty well. That's right. Uh congratulations, Haney. By the way. He won that. Yeah, congratulations to you too. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Uh you know what I'm curious about, um, and I don't know if you can answer this, Adam, but so again, I I I take it, I take a I watch a lot of construction from beginning to end because I I personally find it fascinating from what my husband did, right? But even just on my side. So take for instance, um, there's a piece of land over up in Park West across from um those apartments that are now supposed to be attainable housing, correct? Across from the apartment. Is it all in Bulldoz? Yeah, it's all bulldozed. Right up right next to Park West Vets. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's what I heard. Is that true? Oh. But Michael. Don't get him in trouble, man. Is this in Carolina Apartment? Yeah. No, in Park West. In Park West. Right across from the Grove, uh, I think they're both called the Grove apartments. Okay, okay. Um actually we can figure that out later. But my my question, so it's been it was grazed, and I mean, how long does it take for from the moment I guess the moment you get the land, right? Let's not even include the permitting, because that could take forever, but like to get if you're gonna build four level apartments, I mean, how long should it take? Let's put it that way.
SPEAKER_05:How long the trees down at this point? Like, everything's down.
SPEAKER_01:And I believe this I well they I think they've already started putting the sewage in. I'm I'm not but like like from the beginning to end, how long does something like that take?
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so let's let's talk about how we go from spark to closeout and occupancy. I love that. That's huge. Oh shit, right? So you have to understand that if if your land is not zoned properly, you have to get either some conditional zoning or get it rezoned. So that process could take anywhere from three to six months if you have all of your conceptual renderings in place and your concepts in place and you've had conversations with the right parties. Uh I hate to say this, sometimes the vote happens before the vote, but it that just means the conversations have taken place. Okay. Right? So you've got that, let's call that worst case scenario six months. Now you're into you're kicking off design on the civil side, you've engaged your landscape architect, right? Because we have to protect the trees and we have to worry about what were called best management practices, which are SWIP, stormwater prevention, pollution plans. The the the black, ugly fence that goes around the trees and the orange ribboning and everything. I swipped yesterday. Yes, slippering around the house. But uh so so we do that, and then from there uh we have to get uh the civil drawings approved through in Mount Pleasant the the technical portion of the design, so the DRT. And that DRT r involves all the horizontal construction. And then we've got to go through DRB, which is all our vertical construction. So how does the land shed its water or maintain its water that it you know the first inch or two of rain, and then from there, what's it look like going up? So really from spark to construction to close out, best case scenario, you're probably looking at anywhere from two to three years. That's what I guess that's what I figured. So so the idea can sort of maybe not feel as cool three years later, or the market has changed, or the lending environment's changed, or maybe the base that you were building that particular product for isn't there anymore. So there's a huge risk that we take as developers to do this.
SPEAKER_01:I I knew I mean just because you're looking at it and you're going, I mean, it's so much space. Exactly. Never mind there again, never mind all the legalese and all of the permitting and all that that goes behind it. But um and also obviously you want it to be built well, built and not, you know, blow down with the you know.
SPEAKER_03:But once the plans are finished, the construction should take anywhere from 10 to 12 months. Once you're ready to go vertical. 10 to 12 months. You said vertical.
SPEAKER_05:Why can't we uh build uh taller buildings in Mount Pleasant? I understand Charleston, I understand the peninsula, I understand that. But in Charleston, I feel like we're just building these one-story mini malls all over the place. Why can't we think bigger and there's a height requirement on all commercial buildings?
SPEAKER_01:I think the height requirement. We're not saving any turtles. You know what I mean? Like there isn't Are we? Am I wrong with that? No, there's a high but there's a height requirement. Like the hotel we put in at town center can only be a certain feet, fifty-eight feet, I think.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um that's why it's a boutique hotel.
SPEAKER_03:So just to recall, I mean, design is is is structural in nature. So we've got uh we've got a lot of uh adverse conditions here. We've got wind loading with hurricanes. I was I was here during Hurricane Hugo 1989. That's a big one. I like it. Uh we we are in the uh second largest earthquake fault area in the country. Come on. Behind San Andreas before of Somerville, I'll try not to. I try not to think about it.
SPEAKER_05:When was the last time we had an earthquake? 1870. Yes. Great, great, great great grandpa was here. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Yep. The Burbages and the Ferrar's were here. No kidding. Uh and then uh we've got um poor soil conditions. Poor soil conditions. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Is that because of the low country? Because of the sand. I mean, half my yard's sand. Okay. And I'm not even in a flood zone. I don't understand that.
SPEAKER_03:And then when an earthquake is happening, you've got, you know, uh movements left and right. It's called liquefaction. So have you ever put your foot in the sand at the beach, right near the water, and you just rub it back and forth, the water comes up to the top and your foot sinks. Yep. Yeah. Building does the same thing. Okay, that answers a few of my I'm not an engineer, but I did uh eat my weedy.
SPEAKER_05:It sure sounds like you know what you're talking about. Play one on TV at least. Um Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:But I also um on the flip side of that, Mike, just not the mechanical reasons, but and I could I'm saying this from my own personal view. Correct. I like that there's no tall buildings in town. That's one of the things I really like about this town. Okay. Um business wise, I can understand why people might want to build to all the hotels and this or that, but I love how you I'm a fan of the height requirements.
SPEAKER_05:And I and I understand that you know, we only have so much land. You mentioned that earlier. We we gotta annex some more land. Okay, we we don't go tall. Maybe maybe we go a little bit bigger in in in structure. Like like an Omar Shrine type of situation. Not like a Coliseum, but like a bigger shark. So we can have more lunches somewhere else. You know what I mean? Like so we can have parties, you know what I mean? Like Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there we we do lack a certain level of scale to our buildings that you might see in bigger cities, you know, your Atlanta's and your Charlotte's um of the world. But there is something special about living here. There is something special about knowing that it's at least we can see and differentiate the colors of our buildings. I mean, you can be in other parts of South Carolina that are a little further south that's H H. Sure, sure, sure. Uh where you cannot see the buildings. Everything's the same color as the bark. Um so you do get s a little bit of um uh diversity in that. So I I think there are uh there are there are wins and losses from that respect, but I I think at the end of the day, we only have so much land. Um we're we're cut off in hundreds of ways by water uh versus a Charlotte or someplace like that. They can really just go around the clock and just expand out as far as they want to.
SPEAKER_05:This is kind of off the cuff right now too, right? But when we're when you're building here in Mount Pleasant, um you you really you really take mind to the to the trees and to the space, right? To the point where you can't even see the logo of the building until you get right in front of the building. So as a camea, not an eighth generation friend like you, but as a camea, I was I was I'm built on my GPS. I can't go anywhere, right? And then everybody says, Oh, it's by this. I'm like, well, you can't see it. Oh it's by the old theater. You know, it's like I love it, but I hated it at first, but obviously it, you know, yeah, that's the way to go.
SPEAKER_03:Well, phones have definitely uh, you know, Google Maps Ways and all that has helped us a lot out a lot. But um you know, I I think that's an individual developer's choice or an owner's choice as to how they uh prepare the monumentation for their signage. Yeah. Um whether it's a marquee at the street or some some some building signage. So so I do believe that there is some s of a strategic approach to managing that, that maybe individually those things could be done a little bit better. Well, whatever. But you're right, though. Everybody needs to understand that that if you don't if you're a new business, you either have to have a fantastic uh marketing plan or you need to be visible. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Um and land take note at all new people, take note to that, because that is absolutely 100% true.
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SPEAKER_05:Well, yeah, as the you know, the the you run the town center, like businesses come and go all the time. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01:My stores are um look are inside unless you're an anchor and you're on one of the marquee signs, there's only six spaces, um, there's no signage on 17 of where you are. Yeah. So of course, me as as the marketing director, part of my job is to make sure people know what stores I have, but they also need to do their part. Yes. And so that's when you always you'll always hear, you know, so and so at town center, so and so even stores that are not officially at town center, yes. Use town center as a landmark because everyone knows where the actual shopping center is, then they just have to find you inside. But yeah, it's it's the trees, it's the signage. Yeah. And as a business owner, it could be a little bit of a mm, but as a as a uh resident of this town, I love again love just seeing trees. Yeah, right. That's one of the reasons I moved here.
SPEAKER_05:I'm the guy who also says keep 41 the way 41 is too, but that's a whole other thing. Um I wanted to talk about how you we talk about small businesses. How can small businesses approach you and and and how do you help small businesses?
SPEAKER_03:So so I can tell you, I you know, I'm a small business guy. This is how we started. I love small business because there's er everything is um uh sort of uh you know, gumdrops and candy and and happy, happy, happy because they're like, Oh, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this. And what I get to do in my industry is I get to help steer them in a way that helps them say, Yes, you do get to do these things, but these are the the steps to get there. So when they approach us as an example, we will help them source the land. So we'll help them find land. It's not that we're realtors or uh commercial brokers, but uh we have access to uh different platforms where we help them find land or we have relationships with other brokers in the area. So we'll we'll source land for them, we'll steer them away from land that's not good to build on that might cost$300,000 to$400,000 per acre to develop versus$250 to$350,000 right. So so there are ways that you can buy bad land that cost a lot more to develop. And the numbers are a little higher than what I just said, just to be clear. Okay, we're not getting into that. I was trying to be fair. I'm taking notes. But uh so so we get to we get to help them with all of the diligence aspect of it. We get to help them source the right team of civil and architects. And it's not that I want to hold the keys to that castle, but sometimes people get to the finish line and they get to a permit and they have a set of plans they can't afford to build. They just can't do it because they're like, oh my gosh, I did not realize my building was gonna cost four hundred dollars a square foot to build versus what I thought would be two hundred dollars a square foot. And it happens quite regularly to small business USA, which represents over 80% of our economic uh output in our country. So you're really a one-stop shop. I am a one-stop shop, and and we have a great team. Uh we empower our team to understand how to have these visits. So it just doesn't have to be me having the visit with somebody. You know, uh we've got three or four great folks in our office that can uh source these visits. We do we have the exact same platform. So uh up in Fort Mill, and it's it's like uh some people used to think about it as design build, and and that sort of while it's still popular, it's sort of aging out a little bit. You still see some public jobs under the design build platform. We have taken it a step further to design assist build. Um and and that design assist build enables the uh business owner to own the drawings. But design build means I get to own the drawings and you have to use me to build it. Right. Even if you fall out of love with me. I don't want my clients to fall out of love with us. I want them to love us from day one to to finishing the warranty. We we built um uh if I can say it's Madden Real Estate's office, we built his office for him, uh right over on old Georgetown, right behind uh the Nordstrom rack. And we were just in there the other day performing warranty work four years later. Oh and we that's what we want because whether you look at it as marketing dollars or you look at it as, you know, uh we're just trying to to to be good guys. Um that's just the way we do it. Uh we don't want it it's really what I learned at John Wheeland Homes um uh up in Charlotte. They they just had a fantastic reputation for coming in and servicing their product.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, listen, reputation is everything around here. I've learned that very, very quickly.
SPEAKER_05:Are you new build only or do you go in and ask that? Oh, yeah, right? Are you reconstructing a lot of things?
SPEAKER_03:We just had a uh a a young lady that wants to open up a Pilates studio at Point Hope come into her office for just a walk-in with her broker and said, We need an answer now. We want you to come walk through our space at this uh generation two space that had been uh uh another business prior to. And we just need you to help us give us a kind of a low, medium, high guesstimate on what this will cost us to turn this from this uh dessert place to a Pilates studio. And so we we we are going to give her that answer on Monday and Tuesday. And so you just walked in. They walked right in. And I was stood I stood there, I I heard the voice, and I was like, Yep, I'm getting out of my desk and I'm walking over. And then uh my my lead in my office, Dave Lejita, he he he came in and walked up and and we gave them the information they needed, and we just want to help her realize I can do this or I can't do this. Where's your company? Okay, so we can have more walk-ins. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You guys had something to do with that point, help building. We didn't because I remember seeing a sign. Yes. I love the um the New Mexican place over there. Yes, Katrina's is awesome.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Katrina's is uh that that's part of the um Laha group, Laha Cienda group, and they own Viva as well. Um they're they're great. Uh Yugosenia is awesome. They run a top-notch organization. And I remember seeing your signs there because I I go there often. So uh so when we moved back to Charleston in 2017, uh after we were in the Charlotte Market for uh 17 years, uh we uh isolated uh Rivertown uh and we we we bought a home in Rivertown that was existing. It was the first time I'd ever uh bought a home that I didn't build. So it was kind of a unique situation. So interesting. So we lived in that home for four years and renovated it and uh continued to uh I I saw another lot in the neighborhood where I threw my drone up and saw a cool view, and so I built my home there next to Clubhouse. But um so I kept driving up and down Clements Ferry and was so annoyed with the tra with the construction from the two lanes to four lanes and and now it's beautiful, right? The traffic flows they're gonna do. Yeah, they're they're gonna they're gonna do a good job with with the way the uh signals are working, and they're not gonna have you know s signal and then 200 feet later another signal. Okay, right, because that can create the the the stagnation. But um so I saw Point Hope as a really unique opportunity, and I was like, this is the last undiscovered country, and it really feels like Mount Pleasant over here. And so it's Berkeley County, it's a part of its city of Charleston, but it really felt like Mount Pleasant, and it's seven miles from my house. Yes, yes, is Berkeley County. We're in the city of Charleston right here in this building.
SPEAKER_05:Is that right? We're in Berkeley.
SPEAKER_03:Well you are.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, because Berkeley is part of Charleston County.
SPEAKER_03:So there's called incorporated and unincorporated. So everything that's Berkeley County that's not in some municipality is all unincorporated. Okay. If it's within a township or a city or some other name borough, that's that's incorporated into something.
SPEAKER_05:Is that part of the whole annex? What are you talking about? I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_03:Well well, likely there was some level of discussion about that because uh you mentioned Point Hope and all of Daniel Island, uh which was uh uh I guess uh the the shouldering of the burden of getting that developed was a lot through uh DIDEF CO. And DI DEFCO's been hired to do all of Point Hope as well. So you're seeing the branding going up and down Clements Ferry Road. It's really uh think of Daniel Island 2.0. No, okay.
SPEAKER_01:There was absolutely nothing on Clements Ferry Road when I moved here. Nothing. It was one lane each way. The old bridge, that Wanda Bridge wasn't there. It was one one lane each way. Because I when I first moved here, I moved out there and I I you know I came from New York and I said, I mean, I have to drive like 8,000 miles to go to the grocery store because there was not there was absolutely nothing out there. But I also I happen to be a fan of the country, so I still kind of live out still kinda live out in the country.
SPEAKER_05:Are you still in Rivertown?
SPEAKER_03:I we are in Rivertown. It's it's a great community. It's uh we've we've had our our our three kids uh have have come come and gone through that house. Well, still some are still there. Um we do have a senior at our um a sophomore in Wando and a freshman at Clemson. And then we have a uh one at Jenny Moore. But uh it Rivertown's been great. The key the connection to Point Hope has been awesome and and really seeing what I I listen, I I wasn't like a prophet or something. I didn't project, oh, this is gonna be great, and I'm the first one, right? The idea had already been laid and I understood What was happening and just being in the industry and I said, that's where I need to put my office. And I was only going to build one building. And then my partners and I, because we have a separate company called Vulcan Property Group, where we build and develop commercial real estate. Okay. We said maybe we can do something a little bit more here. So we instead of doing one building, we did five buildings. And those five buildings have uh Bon Secor's Philosophia's coming in, uh the uh Mediterranean restaurant, Tavern at Philosophia. Yeah. So they're coming in. Um we only have one little space available. And uh Meyer Cap have been awesome as a uh brokerage firm that's been leading the way to help us get that leased up.
SPEAKER_01:Super Eric and Well, because they also know there's gonna be 8,000 million people living across the street eventually, right?
SPEAKER_03:Well let's be clear about the rooftop count. So they were s I believe 25,000 houses? No, uh I think you're thinking people because it's they were permitted, I want to say, for 14 or 16,000 rooftops for all of Point Hope, which is the old Guggenheim property. It's old hunting land. Okay. And uh so they'll likely see more like 10,000 rooftops. So 2.5 people per, and that's probably where you get the the$25,000 number.$25,000, okay.
SPEAKER_01:10,000 houses is still a lot of houses.
SPEAKER_03:It is a lot of houses. Uh and it that means that they need services. So if we can get the services to them, they don't have to jump on the highway and go elsewhere to get their services unless they're going to the town center. Of course. Everybody comes to town center thing.
SPEAKER_01:Because they won't have any other place. The only one around here. You're right.
SPEAKER_05:We're doing a really intentional job of bringing the amenities to where we are, and that's where the next generation wants to live.
SPEAKER_01:Right, so when they built the school out there, sure. Yep. That's amazing. Um, I want to talk quickly about sustainability. Yes. Because that is such a huge issue for all businesses these days. Um, because if you don't follow or don't, you know, you could lose cost I I know how important it is for our environment, for our future, for everything. But that's gotta be a big thing for doing construction. Yeah. And how has it changed over the last few years? And um I'm assuming it affects costs and things like that. So, you know, what are some things that new businesses can do or that you've learned that you could share some.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Kathy, that's a great question. So s sustainability, uh how do you mix in sustainability with yet still being affordable, right?
SPEAKER_01:So I think that's And still making profit as a business, correct? Right.
SPEAKER_03:And making profit as a business. So um, you know, uh I won't get into business operations so much, but on the construction side, I would highly encourage if anybody's gonna do something con construction-wise, you know, look into uh look into product that is uh that already has some certification. So the town of Mount Pleasant has what's called LID techniques, which is uh low impact uh development techniques on on how you can do uh certain things regard around your site, not only with trees, but pollinate our gardens and things of that nature for butterflies and bees and stuff. But on the building side of things, uh there are efficiencies that you should absolutely take advantage of so you have lower power bills. Got it, right? LED lighting. Spray foam is huge, LED lighting, uh uh solar, if you can incorporate solar. I mean, there's still a lot of incentives out there to incorporate solar. And the town of Mount Pleasant is now requiring buildings to have pitched roofs versus flat roofs. So every new building that you see either has the appearance of a pitched roof, like the new floor and decor that just uh opened is opening up in front of Home Depot, um, it has a the appearance of a pitched roof over the first five percent, and then it gets flat on top to for your rooftop units. What's the point of that? Tell me, teach me something. It's to soften the edges a little bit to control the massing of the building. Because the the more you can make the building appear short, the better it is uh from a massing standpoint. So you might have a two and a half, three-story building, but if it has a traditional gabled roof, it appears shorter than a flat roof with a parapet wall.
SPEAKER_01:I'm really learning a lot today. This is this is very interesting to me. Oh, really? It's for uh Mike and I'd have learned something that we did not know when we walked in the door. Yeah, actually, that's really that's very, very interesting. Yeah, it is. And then um Mount Pleasant, I mean, obviously you've done name some of the projects you've done that we would know. What's your favorite? Uh besides the besides the chamber offices, but we'll get to that in a minute.
SPEAKER_03:So we did an expansion for Carrie Ryan Dynastry uh for them. So that was great. Yes. Uh fantastic project. Uh we have we built uh one of the buildings where the New York Butcher is at the Oakland Shopping Center. Okay. Uh where Dolce A. Dolce AS sure. Um and uh can't believe we're still talking about COVID five years later, six years later. Uh we did Wanda Family Dentistry as well. Um we've got uh a new project that's about to uh break ground. It's uh 17 North Village Retail. So that's a four and a half acre development uh right to the uh uh left of Life Park, the church at Life Park. Okay. Oh so we've got four buildings, uh about thirty thousand square feet, the retail buildings, and that's going to be an entrance into a roughly uh 90 to 100 uh uh uh upscale townhome product that's being built by another building group. Uh but we'll we will likely partner with them in some fashionable.
SPEAKER_05:See, houses are still being built. Where I I hear that. We raised them.
SPEAKER_03:There's eleven acres available, and they're they do have to do things, right? They have to put in a lift station, which is almost a million dollars to do for the sewer. Okay. Uh you know, water accessibility is huge. Um our partners to the right of us at Life Park are are getting us access to water and we'll extend.
SPEAKER_05:Where is Life Park again? It's Carolina, isn't it? Carolina Park? It's right across the park.
SPEAKER_01:Park West.
SPEAKER_03:Where the new Aldi is, right across the street. Oh. On the other side of the highway. They've started, I've seen them start to where Charleston Fun Park is. Where they're right across the street from there.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. On the side, the yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh man.
SPEAKER_03:So that's going to be awesome. So we'll we'll we'll develop that site. It has a lot of uh uh pervious parking because for underground retention we have to manage stormwater. That's huge. Um we don't well listen, we're a very flat area. And it's you know, in Charlotte when we're building and developing, I mean there's tons of topo up there. We can shape the land and do things and put up retaining walls and build ponds. It's actually much easier to develop in Charlotte than it is Charleston. Topography, I think, is topo. Topo, excuse me. Yep. So uh so yeah, so that that's the big advantage. So here, civil engineers have to get ultra creative and they're looking at tenths of an inch when they're determining water uh sheet flow uh to retain the first inch of rainfall, which is a requirement, and sometimes even more now that we're getting much larger uh quick compact rain events.
SPEAKER_05:No kidding. Um kidding. Parking was a conversation that uh Mr. Brady and I had on an episode that'll be dropped before this episode, and uh he's the economic development. Matt, yep. Yeah, he's great, isn't he? Yes. Um you work probably with the I would imagine.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we we do have uh good communication with him and and want to be in the know of how we can certainly help to build for new businesses, but also if there's anything that we can do um to support his efforts as well, because he has a tough job to help uh attract new businesses to our area.
SPEAKER_05:Correct, with the new technologies and the new speaking of new technologies, how how is that going with you? How is the AI uh coming in your world? Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_03:You know, AI is great when it comes down to how can we just do a rough layout on a site. Sure. So if if we can quickly get to a site plan layout that's that's not only sustainable but uh gives us the right mix of parking and building size, uh and AI is helping us do that within minutes. So it's or we'd have to wait for three, four, or five weeks, maybe two months for a civil engineer to or a or a land planner to fold that into their work and give us an answer.
SPEAKER_01:Is it I mean is how accurate is it? Yeah, I mean rough.
SPEAKER_03:You said rough just to kind of get it started. So it's I'm not a fan of AI, so it's very well I'll tell you, it it it gives us enough information to then continue down the traditional path. Of course, yeah. Or say, oh gosh, this is not gonna work because you know, uh buffers here or accessibility there, or um, you know, uh it's not gonna give us zoning information, right? But it's it's going to help us uh with certain land planning strategies. One of my favorites right now is uh is Google Gemini, uh Deep Deep Seek, Deep Research, where you can uh put in as much information as you need to about a business or a product or uh a build in an area and and ask about the viability of it in the market. And it's almost like a cheat code for initial business planning. Yeah. For these new business owners that don't want to go pay somebody five thousand dollars to get a business strategy, they can do kind of quick hitting points where they can say, This is financiable, or I love this, or oh my gosh, I didn't know I had to do that. I don't really want to do this anymore. Right? So that happens quite a bit. So I would say AI is helping in those areas to kickstart people. Kickstart the people. Or or push you off to a different path.
SPEAKER_05:There you go. It's not really uh shortening the two-year construction span yet, right?
SPEAKER_03:It's not like you go back to sleep at 8 a.m. and wake up at 8 p.m. and see a paycheck because of AI. Yes. Right. Yes. Well, I was gonna say it actually can build something. Yes. So there are robotic things. Uh so this is pretty cool. So with site work with mass grading, you're seeing uh uh people standing on the sidelines remote controlling you know the skid steers and loaders and things of that nature to do sight work. So mass clearing grading, that's sort of AI, right? It's it's more kind of like you know, Google Maps meets eight eye AI. But uh I I think that that you're seeing a lot more of that um technology in traditional work. You see some really cool robotic machines, kind of like this microphone here that spins around a house and drops mortar and builds a house out of thin air from the Oh, I've seen that. It's like 3D printing a house, yes, I've seen it in real real time. I don't know how how how sturdy that's gonna be. There's no rebar, there's you know there's no steel, like you know, is that gonna work? But uh you're seeing some some fun stuff being teased teased around.
SPEAKER_05:What um we're here in Mount Pleasant. Uh I wanted to ask real quick, how big are you in Charleston, like downtown? Is there anything building there over the generations your family's been here?
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Uh so which church, you know, which yeah. We were just awarded a project um for a developer out of Charlotte. It's uh uh it's about an 8,000 square foot renovation of an attorney's office downtown. So that's that's pretty neat. Charlotte? Uh so they're in Charlotte, they own real estate downtown, and they have the tenant connection. So uh that that yin-yang approach from Charlotte to Charleston, you're almost seeing every developer that is doing something in Charlotte maybe do it in Charleston, and maybe they're peeking into Savannah or Buford or Bluffton. So uh which we've done projects there too. Yeah. Not only for ourselves but for others.
SPEAKER_05:So I didn't know that Charlotte was in Charleston. We're kind of almost I don't like to say sister cities, but like there's a lot of they pay attention to each other a lot. Yes. Um even on the you know, to to to talk about the Marketing Association podcast. We're also the same thing we're seeing in that podcast is we're getting a lot of Charlotte views and downloads. So really interesting, and you're just backing that information up.
SPEAKER_03:That's it. Yeah, so so uh we had a very, very large project that we were invited to bid on. Uh it would have been a hospitality use with mixed use, which is you know combination of office retail, convention space with an 120 keys hotel downtown. And it uh this was about a year ago. I just kind of felt like we weren't quite ready for that yet. Uh to to to peel off a hundred and sixty million dollar project would have absorbed our entire bandwidth. Sure. And we would have just not serviced the customers that we've been slowly nurturing and building. Okay. And I think that would have uh that's where you have to decide that chasing the money isn't always the answer.
SPEAKER_01:So we and especially downtown, right? Aren't there certain there are certain restrictions and certain guidelines and historical sites and you have to use this color and this brick and this whatever it might be.
SPEAKER_03:So Yeah. But uh I will say that you know, as a company that's growing, you have to hire the key professionals to do it. So my number one guy is Stave, and Dave was in the uh Dave was in Manhattan, so he's worked on mid-rise, high-rise buildings. He's worked on public properties. He knows what he's doing. Uh he isn't he's not available, he's not looking for jobs for the record. Uh so nobody try to call him. Um admin, don't worry about me. I'm not calling you. But uh but the so we feel very comfortable in that space, and I feel ultra comfortable in that space, downtown Charleston, uh have having grown up here. What a cool, cool city. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_05:I love Mount Pleasant too. But it's really great to have that amenity of the historic. Right. And then so when did you get into Mount Pleasant side?
SPEAKER_03:Like, yes, so so Mount Pleasant uh, you know, as I said, was was a fishing village, and people were kind of creeping into West Ashley uh back in the uh late 1950s, early 1960s, and that's when you see South Windermere coming on, James Island is starting to kind of peak, peak out towards the beach and peak out towards Maybank, and then uh uh heading towards Ravenel, uh all of that started uh coming uh full circle in the 60s, 70s and 80s. So West Ashley's due for a uh a bit of a facelift, as we know. Sure. Um and because it's it's a little tired and and I I think the current uh mayor uh Cogswell in in the city is doing a good job of of carrying on what what Joe Riley did, which was you know really making Charleston uh uh very uh interesting to come to and see. Um, you know, that man did a lot of great things for us uh to to get folks to come here and and see what a beautiful city we have.
SPEAKER_05:Man, and then there's the the James Island and the John Island and all the expansion going on over there. You you're probably hip on all that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we've built several daycares uh and we have another one coming up out of the ground, uh these early childhood education centers. So not not daycares, they're not just babysitting, they have curriculum. Uh these buildings, it it is a we have become the the early childhood education developer, contractor of of really what I feel like is the Carolinas um between the Kitty Academies, the New Horizons, the Goddard schools, the Ivy Brooks, uh we've built Goddard schools are great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the curriculum is great. Listen, it it's not the most affordable, uh, but when you're talking about keeping your children safe and having them learn and be prepared to get into the school systems, um, they have the right programming to do it. And those centers range between 10,000 to 16,000 square feet, and we have built about 50 of those in the last five years. Okay, yeah, yeah. So we're we're yeah, those are really, really awesome projects. Uh we love those projects and know how to deal with uh the fire marshal uh in uh with with uh in Columbia, the uh DHEC, all the ordinances, all the different little governing bodies you have to work through to deal with that. Sure. The programming, right, how the building lays out uh the um ADA within the building, um safety within the building. And uh so we're we're really enjoying working in that space as well. And that's a huge need. That's a huge, huge need in the Carolinas, North Carolina, South Carolina, where there's gotta be some reform where we can get some additional dollars, uh whether it be federal or state subsidized dollars to help folks um that uh are at a certain income level to to offset some of that because the cost of the building even even if I built it for cost, it's still gonna drive rents in the forty dollar per square foot or higher. Right. So it's not the cost of the building that's the issue. It's it's quite frankly, it's just that between land cost, right? So you're at a million dollars for the land, maybe a little less. You've got site work that's another seven to eight hundred thousand dollars, and then you've got the vertical. So these these projects are any between five and a half to seven million dollars to build. Yes. And with where rates being are where they are, there that's that's what's kind of driving things. We need rates to come down a little bit, and we need a little bit of help from Uncle Sam and the state to uh offset uh for folks that that don't have quite the income level, but we need these people want to work. These people get a sense of value out of working. Um you don't have to be a a a doctor or lawyer to get a sense of value out of what we do.
SPEAKER_05:Correct, correct, and getting it more affordable here in Mount Pleasant. No offense to doctors or lawyers.
SPEAKER_03:No, no offense taking it.
SPEAKER_01:Listen to me, I know you'll you'll build a doctor's office any day. I will. Uh-huh. We love docs too. So, what I mentioned before, before we're gonna get to some fun questions in a minute, but um so when the chamber, and this is, you know, again, um not just why we had you on today, Adam, but we'll be ever grateful. Um uh the chamber last year, we um received some space from our friends at Pinnacle Bank um that needed some updating. Um, Mike, if you remember the green carpet and no, I don't remember the green carpet. I don't think I walked into the show of what it looked like. I'm sure Adam remembers what it looks like. Um it was um, like you mentioned, dated. It was just an older building. It was dated, it was vacant. And um, and so um Adam and his team came in and um just redid our office space for us. And um what a difference. I mean, what a great job. Everything was done to perfection. Uh we had to move plumbing. Like we at first we kept saying we're just gonna do this and this and this. Then we're like, ooh, you know, we if we're gonna do it, let's just do it right. So we took a space and made a kitchen so we could have events. That's nice. Uh the running water and the refrigerator and the sink. Yeah, it was just all um they did everything. Okay. Yes. Uh the flooring, the walls, the everything. It was just um, and of course, now if you come visit us on Johnny Dodge, you'll get to see firsthand the work. We take walk ins, though. Adam and his team. Rebecca Diddy love walk-ins. Yes, they do. They sure do.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I can't say enough about what the chamber does for the community, uh, for the local businesses, the ribbon cuttings, the awareness, the um, you know, the the sort of the that that that hand-up approach that small business needs. And uh we all have to help each other recognize where the opportunities are, and then the chamber does a great job of that. So we at Ferbius felt like there's gotta be a way we can give something back, right? So uh it was uh just an honor to be able to come into the space, uh hear the vision, see the vision, and say, hey, you know, I think we can get it done for this. And quite honestly, you know, just passing through costs and and being a part of what's going on there and just being able to meet the folks has been great. And so we were happy to do it.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you. I really appreciate it. And Amanda, that's a nice little cut there, everything he just said. Yep, perfect, isn't it? I didn't even pay him for that, everybody. He's like nothing, no hands, see, nothing, nothing, nothing.
SPEAKER_05:Building business podcasts, right? And we're literally building businesses. So this is the we're at our apex right now, I feel like. This is we could be this is right here. This is this is everything. I agree. It's awesome. Two years of podcasting, is this is it right now. We're on the top. We're on the peak. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Sorry, so we have some just fun quick questions for you, if you don't mind, okay? All right. So what is the strangest or funniest thing you've ever seen on a job site?
SPEAKER_03:Hmm. Well keep it clean.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. It is a business podcast.
SPEAKER_03:Um Well, we've had some people that uh tend to migrate uh with tents that show up to job sites. Uh every now and again you might uh in in certain areas you might open a Portageon and and and see someone just sleeping. So you interrupted them. So while I I would say that's not funny, that's absolutely strange. Yes, empty and surprising. So uh so that has happened.
SPEAKER_01:I can I can only go with that, but that that is rapid-fire questions here. Yeah. If you could build anything in the world with no budget, what would it be?
SPEAKER_03:Ooh. Wow. A uh daycare. Yeah. I think it's had enough of those. You know what? Uh uh uh my wife and kids and I, we visited uh New York City a couple of years ago and we went into the Empire State Building. The story, the stories of the people, the pictures you see of the guy sitting on a piece of steel, the lives with no horse. They built that in a year. Oh, really? In a year. And I I understand the time that they did it, the the uh uh workforce was plentiful, but uh uh an achievement like that is just phenomenal. So Empire State Building would definitely be up there for me.
SPEAKER_05:Nice. That's super interesting. That's really fun. It goes back to the history too. Trails has got so much history. Yeah. Um so that's great. Yeah. What else you got?
SPEAKER_01:I got um what's your favorite tool in your toolbox? What and like what or what and or what tool should every single person have in their toolbox?
SPEAKER_03:Uh at least three tape measures. One to keep in the toolbox, one to keep in the truck, and one to lose.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:All right. Oh my gosh, how many tape measures can we have around the house? I'm like, well, some supposed to be in the car. You know, it's the old uh measure twice.
SPEAKER_01:That's so funny. Um more. Uh what superhero would make the best construction worker and why?
SPEAKER_03:Oh. To me, there's no doubt, Superman. Right. Superman. Well, yeah. Right. Right? Because you don't have to cut open a wall to see if there's a wire in there. Oh, that's right. And this has happened. Uh it didn't happen on my watch, but uh when I was in home building, somebody put the foundation of the home in uh uh an exact mirror image opposite way. So maybe you could take that foundation out of the ground and flip it back over. There we go. That happened. Not in not in Charleston and Charlotte. And uh yeah, that was that was by me. Okay, good.
SPEAKER_01:You wouldn't let that happen now, would you?
SPEAKER_03:We had to rip that out, and it was like, oh my gosh, just painful to see all the concrete and rebar come out and the and the guys doing the work. Uh yeah. So Superman.
SPEAKER_01:Remind everybody where they can find you, Adam. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So we are at Point Hope, uh uh at the gates at Point Hope. Uh if you know where Katrina's is, you know where we are. Uh we're in building A at 826 Foundation Street in uh Charleston, South Carolina. Um seven one thing, and it's www.ferrera-bust B-U-I-S-T.com.
unknown:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Good work. Thank you, Adam, so much for everything. Thank you. Great to speak to you about all this kind of stuff. I like this.
SPEAKER_03:I might have a second life in this uh gig if I don't uh handle construction well.
SPEAKER_05:Let's do it. Let's do a podcast for Buiston. Anytime.
SPEAKER_01:Mike and I are available. Thank you so much. Because this is volunteering. Thank you so much. Oh, it's such a pleasure, Adam. Buist is going to pay us for that, but I'm saying this that's not volunteer. Uh so before we leave, we just want to thank again our sponsor, DK Design, and our partner, uh Charleston Media Solutions, for their support, not only of the podcast, but of the entire Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce. Um, we do have some sponsorships available, Mike, right? If you'd like to be a sponsor of our podcast, you could just reach out to the chamber and someone will get back to you. Uh be sure to like and subscribe on all of our channels. It's Spotify, iTunes, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn. Thank you so much for listening to us today. Until next time, Mount Pleasant. Until next time, listeners.
